Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Jan 30, 2009 8:40 pm Our quote is $3,000ish less for textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & drawers as opposed to gloss or satin matt vinyl wrap. I'm not into the glossy look and really want the caesarstone benchtops so got to economise somewhere in the kitchen to meet the budget.
I know nothing about textured vinyl wrap so please nlighten me why it's so much cheaper. The sample i saw didn't look that bad, like from a distance it didn't look poxy or anything but i am wondering why its so much cheaper. I have 3 children under 6 so I need something hard wearing in the kitchen area, Can you please share your thoughts or experiences with textured vinyl wrap. Thanks heaps. Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 2Jan 30, 2009 8:43 pm Perhaps a few searches on on the forum for "vinyl wrap" will give some detailed info, but generally I think the advice here has consistently been: don't get wrap. It's not hard wearing and is impossible to repair. Do the hard jobs first. The easy jobs will take care of themselves. - Dale Carnegie Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 3Jan 31, 2009 6:41 am Textured Vinyl Wrap is the worst of both worlds.
Vinyl... ^ what Cabinfever said... and the texture just grabs every bit of dirt and hangs onto it. I have a sample textured thermolaminate board in our studio and it is the grubbiest door of all the displays. And if as you said you have small children you may as well plan to spend a lot of time cleaning your doors. If you want a durable good looking product consider colourboard instead. Cheers, Earl Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 4Jan 31, 2009 11:31 am Well hopefully not impossible to repair... I found I have peeling (glossy woodgrain effect) vinyl wrap in the kitchen of my new unit (established building, my first home purchase)
Any of the wise folks here know of an adhesive to re-stick the wrap to the MDF backing for a short-term fix-up? I know (and dread) that the only real solution is to replace all the doors (and the breakfast-bar panelling) with new stuff but there's lots more money to be spent elsewhere first. Should I try to match old and new and just replace what's peeling? Anyone have any experience with if that's easy or not, and how it may look? (Sydney, Northern Beaches area) Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 5Jan 31, 2009 7:48 pm woodgrain is horrid to keep clean. Vinyl I found good wearing but the peeling issue very annoying
yes you can try and reglue sections- require special glue and it will never look the same as before. we were given some from kitchen manufacturer. the vinyl i believe is sucked on to the backing removing all the air and moulding it to the door with a thin spray of glue. without this process and just glueing it back on you can get air pockets left and you can never get the glue in thinly enough to aviod lumps. then leftover glue removal is a nightmare- wouldn't suggest it to anyone. also if you glue one part that is coming off- you may find that the rest of the door or panel lifts behind that section. they replace every cupboard door in our kitchen within 5 years of installation due to peeling of the vinyl. they had to pull more than halve the kitchen apart- wasn't happy. I would never have it again- and told them so. They blamed it on faulty glue. i would contact the manufacturer or a local kitchen company for a price to redo the doors - our manufacture were going to reuse our doors and just replace the vinyl but I had 2 young kids and needed the cupboard doors on so they gave us all new doors and panels. they were really good about it. good luck dekarna Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 6Jan 31, 2009 9:23 pm Thanks for the help. Sorry i see its been done to death already
I did a search and 71 matches came up. I read some theads and I am more informed than i was before but could still do with some clarification if you could please. Is flat melamine colourboard laminate? Where does this sit in the price comparison of vinyl wrap and 2 pack? Does it look good with caesarstone benches? Just wondering why no cabinet maker or kitchen place we have been to thus far have ever mentioned colourboard. I'm really glad i searched and read up as I am put off vinyl wrap now. ta Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 7Feb 01, 2009 7:36 am Colouboard is flat board that is coated in a bonded colour/pattern and covered with a clear resin - it looks a lot like like a laminated board except there is no "laminating" involved, the board comes coloured from the factory.
Where benchtops are still laminated in HPL (High Pressure Laminate) colourboard is more suitable for vertical applications such as cupboards, kickboards and end panels. The sheets are usually 2400 or 3600 long and 1200 - 1400 wide. Boards for doors and drawers are cut out of the sheets, and then edged with a matching tape either .4mm, 1mm or most commonly in 2mm PVC. Depending on the quality of the fabricator the edging can be almost undetectable and does not have the tendancy to peel off like the "old style" laminated boards that some of you might remember. Colourboard is available in a very wide range of colours and patterns including a new generation of "Sheen" boards that feature a gloss like finish. Colourboard is normally the cheapest of the three "typical" kitchen finishes of colourboard, thermolaminate and painted - but is also (in my opinion) the best value for money and the most durable of all three. The only drawback of a colurboard door is that it can not be profiled or routed - you can only get a flat square edged board made for any specific application. There seems to have been a bit of a resurgance of colourboard in "higher end" kitchens again (yay!) which means that more and more designers are specifying a board finish with engineered or natural stone tops. I always push colourboard as one of the most attractive options when I am advising clients, and it is they who are the ones coming in wanting vinyl or two pack. One reason other businesses may be trying harder to sell the vinyl and two pack is because they make more money selling a more expensive finish (as a part of their profit is based on the markup of the materials they sell) and secondly that coated boards still have a perception of making a kitchen more "high quality", which is going to sell their potential clients on the idea. Cheers, Earl Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 8Feb 03, 2009 2:32 pm Hey Earl,
thanks for going to so many trouble to explain this and post pics, really appreciate it. I have now asked the cabinet maker to do a quote on the colourboard. Is there anything in particular i should ask or get a quote on like sizing/thickenss? Does it come in flat and sheen only? Ta Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 9Feb 04, 2009 6:32 pm If you are dealing directly with a cabinetmaker then my first tip for spending less money is to not pick Laminex colours - many colours people choose are also available from other and cheaper suppliers.
If he offers you a flat price regardless of supplier then he is making more money off selling some boards than others (or he has a good deal with someone like Laminex because he sells a lot of their product). Colourboard comes in Matt, Texture, Natural, Velvet, Flint, Smooth and Sheen finish depending on which supplier you are dealing with. As far as I know there are currently only two suppliers providing Sheen (or gloss) colourboards, Polytec and Colourpyne. All of the other terms describe variations on a theme of somewhere between very smooth finished board and board that has a bit of orange peel like grain (but very small) to it. Again both have their pros and cons - perfectly smooth boards will tend to show smudges more easily while slightly textured boards will catch and show grime. Most cabinet makers will have some display boards for you to look at samples of the various finishes. All colourboard should be supplied on 16mm HMR (High Moisture Resistant) Particle Board or 16mm MRMDF (Moisture Resistant Medium Density Fibreboard - also known as custom wood). The board will be coated on both sides and you can have a choice of matching edging in .4mm, 1mm and 2mm, again depending on which supplier you use you might have more or fewer choices of available edge thicknesses, but I like 2mm as a rule - it is nice and durable. Whatever supplier you end up choosing as long as they conform to Australian standards you will be o.k. If in doubt ask your cabinetmaker for a Product Data Safety Sheet - if he doesn't have one he can get one from the supplier (if he wants your business). I hope this helps. Cheers, Earl Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 10Feb 10, 2009 9:52 pm Thanks for the great write up on sheen finish. You discuss edging, what about a rolled edge profile on the cupboards?
regards sean Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 11Feb 11, 2009 8:05 pm Rolled edge doors are a bit of a pain to work with from the specification end, as they need to get made by the board manufacturer, just like a vinyl door.
Rolled edges are effectively boards that have been profiled along two parallel edges (normally the vertical) and laminated around the curves. A side effect of the vertical profiled edge is the gaps between the doors can appear greater than they actually are, which can bother some people. The other two parallel edges, nominally the top and bottom, can be either laminated in the same 1mm laminate as the doors or finished with a matching 2mm edge same as is used on colourboard. The doors then need to get drilled by the cabinetmaker, which they are never really happy doing because if they accidentally damage one they can't just whip up a new one in house, they have to go back through the production process with the supplier which can cause big delays. I have supplied rolled edge doors and in the right design they look very good, but personally they are not among my favourite type of door. In terms of durability the 2mm edges are as good as on a colourboard, the laminated rolled edges I'm not so sure about - I haven't had any complaints yet, but the concept of a postformed door edge reminds me a bit too much of the old style kitchens where all of the doors and boards were hand laminated and the corners and edged would begin too lift after a few years. Cheers, Earl Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 12Feb 12, 2009 7:50 pm Thanks heaps Earl. I got a quote on Lamiwood doors (is this the same as laminex/colourboard?) with ABS Edge from the cabinetmaker. Whats ABS edge?
Quote: If you are dealing directly with a cabinetmaker then my first tip for spending less money is to not pick Laminex colours - many colours people choose are also available from other and cheaper suppliers. Quote: Colourboard comes in Matt, Texture, Natural, Velvet, Flint, Smooth and Sheen finish What would be your pick? On another note i thought to keep costs down i would source the caesarstone myself for the benchtops and the cabinet maker was ok with this. Do you think this is worthwhile, like would i save much or is it just better to get the cabinetmaker to do it? ta muchly Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 13Feb 13, 2009 12:40 pm Lamiwood is the name Laminex use for their range of Moisture Resistant Coloured Board - MRMDF bonded with a melamine finish.
ABS is the (usually) 2mm matching edge that is used to finish cut to size colourboard doors. ABS is a thermoplastic, which means that it can be moulded when heated but is also extremely tough and resistant - it is coincidentally the plastic which Lego is made of, and an excellent material for edging doors and boards. A lot of fabricators offer colours similar to one another, as a significant quantity of kitchens end up being specified in the same sort of colours - white - off white - cream et cetera...but also have some other colours that match up with one another. So my point would be to choose your colour and see if any other manufacturers have the same or similar - doesn't have to necessarily be a neutral colour; but having said that Laminex seem to have the most diverse range of colours and patterns if you are looking for colours outside of the more generic usuals. Most of those finishes I listed are variations on a theme from different fabricators. - some only offer one finish in any particular colour while others offer several. If you were looking at Laminex (for example) they have boards in Flint, Natural and Dimensions finish - Flint and Natural are very smooth while Dimensions is a bit more "pebbly". I really like the Sheen finishes from Polytec, but they can be prone to showing smears more than say a Natural finish (or Velvet if you are looking at Amerind board) - it does depend a lot on the colour and application. The sheen in woodgrain for example looks sensational, and can be used in entertainment areas as well as bathrooms to great effect. Most cabinetmakers won't be able to install the Caesarstone themselves anyway and will sub this job out to a mason. A template for the stone needs to be made once the cabinets are all installed - this is a task that your cabinetmaker MIGHT do depending on the mason he is using. Whenever we specify stone tops (engineered or natural) we get the mason to supply a quote for supply directly to the client - the mason makes the templates, takes them away to cut the stone and comes back to install, handing you the invoice directly. If your mason will only work off an already made template then a lot of cabinetmakers are happy to just do that part of the job and leave the rest of the project to the client...but it can be hard to hold them accountable for the accuracy of the template so I would be looking for a mason who makes their own templates and dealing directly with them. Cheers, Earl Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 15Feb 22, 2009 9:36 pm Yes, thansk for the detailed reply to my question above. Been a bit busy with new house and didn't thanks you
regards sean Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 16Jul 15, 2009 3:46 pm Thank you very much Earl for all the trouble you take to write such clear and concise replies - it is much appreciated. Could you please advise me whether it is better to use MR MDF eg Laminex Lamiboard or an equivalent HMR Particle Board for Kitchen cabinets and doors. Thank you. Regards, Gavin Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 17Jul 15, 2009 8:49 pm Can I join in with some questions too? We too were looking at vinyl wrap doors and drawers as I would really like to use white for some of our doors and drawers but am really turned off by the 2mm edging when it is white on white. The whites don't seem to match and I have a friend who complains about the dirt line that has formed between laminate and the edging. How does the polytec compare, I know they still have an edging but is it better than laminex? Does anyone know of any other surface I can use to avoid the strip? (2 pac not an option with young children in the house.) Thanks Andrea Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 18Jul 15, 2009 11:20 pm I think you are a little confused? Vinyl doesnt have edging.... picture something being heated and shrink wrapped and moulded to something, thats what vinyl wrap is.... no edging Laminate, colourboard etc have edging Two completely different products. Excuse my technical explanation Hubby is the expert as you can tell, not me Custom European Cabinets - Melbourne Kitchen Specialist PM for business details as website currently being updated! Our Crazy Owner Builder Journey! Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 19Jul 16, 2009 7:42 am Sorry, not confuse, just not written very well. We wantt he seamless look which is why we were loking at vinyl. The other option being the laminate which has the 2mm edging which is what we don't want. Sorr I was dead tired last night and didn't re read. Re: Tell me about textured vinyl wrap on the cupboards & dra 20Jul 16, 2009 6:16 pm ellyash ... I would really like to use white for some of our doors and drawers but am really turned off by the 2mm edging when it is white on white. The whites don't seem to match and I have a friend who complains about the dirt line that has formed between laminate and the edging. How does the polytec compare, I know they still have an edging but is it better than laminex? Does anyone know of any other surface I can use to avoid the strip? Hi Andrea...I actually was going to mention this in your thread but thought I would sound like a Negative Nancy I have noticed this to be a major problem with any white door. The edging never matches (it's usually off white) and the dirt - or glue I thought it might have been - looks rank. It can look very grubby and obvious. Yuk. This is the main reason I am leaning toward 2-pac, which is a seamless finish as you know. If only it were cheap! btw The white Polytec gloss door I saw on Monday looked very ordinary indeed. It had the 1mm edging & looked as though it had taken a beating despite being in a showroom - not exactly high traffic I would have thought Hey guys building a new place through a volume builder and just wondering if i should complain to the site supervisor as we just had plasterboard installed. Looks like… 0 11455 I am in the same situation, would you be able to give some insights in to this? I am in SA 8 17416 Vapour permeable wraps are recommended for any climate and main think it is allow walls to breath (i.e. remove water vapour) while at the same time, providing protection… 4 9860 |