Browse Forums Windows & Doors Re: Local double-glazing supplier 21Jul 08, 2008 2:26 pm Ooooops!! Blame it on jetlag, but I missed the language button on the Web page of that second Polish uPVC windows supplier: http://www.jezierski.com.pl/?lng=en.
BTW, the replies from the shipping companies're beggining to arrive, so far it looks very promising, the total shipping costs (freight, port charges, customs brokerage and paperwork, etc) for a 20 ft container from Poland are only about $3000. If that's confirmed and my architect gives a nod I'll most likely go ahead and order my windows from Poland. My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying windows 22Jul 08, 2008 3:18 pm Hi Chris
I think this thread has really shown people here in oz that with a little legwork (shown by yourself) people will source from o/s and be very pleasantly surprised on what you can get for your money. It sounds like all is well with the logistics on your end so congrats. I think now you have given people the confidence to do the same but only as long as you do your research, you will save a pretty penny. Hoping to be in the US in a couple of months and be as lucky in my endeavours. Cheers Michael He wants a dream home theatre - she wants a dream kitchen! Re: Local double-glazing supplier 23Jul 13, 2008 1:30 pm An Update.
Got a quote from the Polish freight company. From the factory door, to the port in Fremantle they quoted me roughly $A2500, for 2 tons/5 m3 of cargo, including all costs except insurance. Added to the approx $A8000 for the windows, it should attract about $525 (5%) in customs duty and $1050 in GST (10%). Add another $1000 for insurance and $500 for installation, it may come up to $13,500, for 45.5 m2 of uPVC tilt and turn double glazed, argon filled fully furnished windows, with locks, ect, (no flyscreens). That's within our budget. So the next step is to check for the potential problems with Aussie standards and building codes, get a proper quote from a local supplier for comparison and use the occasion to gather as much information as possible about installation, etc. Will keep you posted Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Local double-glazing supplier 25Jul 13, 2008 6:22 pm Hi everyone,
I don't know Oknoplast myself, but I believe being in Europe it meets all European and German standards One question you should ask them: Is the extrusion suitable for this part of the world as some extruders use a different "mixture" for Northern Europe than "hot countries" like Greece, Oz........... Could you post some examples of your quote? The price for joinery seems to be quite high accross the line in Australia but part of the problem in this part of the world (Oz and NZ) is the over-priced glass and the custom duty for extrusions and hardware. For comparism: How much is a french door in Oz? Size: 1600mm wide and 2000mm high. In aluminium single glazed? In aluminium double glazed? In PVCu double glazed? In Timber IV68 double glazed? How much the same in Poland? Looking forward to feedback Re: Local double-glazing supplier 26Jul 13, 2008 6:47 pm Great work kristofw, and thanks for the detailed info. For your total costs I couldn't even get *three* windows done in my house. Australian suppliers deserve to go bust considering the outrageous prices they charge. Do the hard jobs first. The easy jobs will take care of themselves. - Dale Carnegie Re: Local double-glazing supplier 27Jul 13, 2008 7:39 pm Quote: How many windows are you bringing back all up, so I can work out costings also. Quote: I don't know Oknoplast myself, but I believe being in Europe it meets all European and German standards Quote: One question you should ask them: Is the extrusion suitable for this part of the world as some extruders use a different "mixture" for Northern Europe than "hot countries" like Greece, Oz........... Quote: Could you post some examples of your quote? http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l413/kristofw/APOlishQuote0003.jpg Quote: Great work kristofw, and thanks for the detailed info. For your total costs I couldn't even get *three* windows done in my house. Australian suppliers deserve to go bust considering the outrageous prices they charge. Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Local double-glazing supplier 28Jul 13, 2008 8:19 pm Quote: In aluminium single glazed? In aluminium double glazed? In PVCu double glazed? In Timber IV68 double glazed? How much the same in Poland? Timber windows were said to cost 60% more than uPVC. Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Local double-glazing supplier 29Jul 14, 2008 6:59 am Hi Chris,
my list was meant for Australian prices Interested to see what they are as I have the impression that Australia is one of the most expensive place on earth to buy windows.....I might be wrong Re: Local double-glazing supplier 30Jul 14, 2008 1:37 pm Hi Windowexpert,
You seemed to have asked for some sort of comparison, so I told what I knew. You may be right about Australia's place on the global windows' price scale. With all the fuss about environment, emissions, etc, one would expect that government, ACCC, or someone to do something about it, after all windows are in 40% responsible for the heating/cooling costs and energy use. The price of uPVC windows here's truly out of all proportions. I find it hard to understand why, PVC is cheap and easy to work, the other components're nothing fancy, so either the local producers're gouging, or they just make up for thin volumes/turn-over with huge margins. Whatever it is I can't and won't pay their price. I love uPVC windows because the turn and tilt solution is wonderfully flexible and practical, and double glazing benefits're obvious. Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Local double-glazing supplier 31Jul 14, 2008 9:19 pm Further Update,
(And no, I'm not running from the mouth, just recovering from a bad flu at home and using the time to do the homework on importing the windows). Talked to my architect today about the same. Apparently the insurers refuse to pay for the damage to something that has no Aussie Standards certificate. That applies also to the personal liability. So if someone goes head first into my privately imported windows, breaks the glass, cuts his throat and croaks, the insurers will use the non-compliance as an excuse to avoid paying the compensation demanded by the grieving family and I'll go bankrupt. And it won't matter that European standards are 20 years ahead of Aussie ones. So if I import I'll have to either hope that "it'll never happen" (what "it" may be) or try to square with Aussie standards or try to come to some agreement with my insurers. Can't do much about the first option, my crystal ball's playing up , but I'll research the two latter ones. My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Local double-glazing supplier 32Jul 16, 2008 10:06 am Hi. Who are "the insurers"? As in, what company? Perhaps a different company? Maybe you can get your own insurance?
Greg Re: Local double-glazing supplier 33Jul 16, 2008 10:46 am Quote: Who are "the insurers"? Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Local double-glazing supplier 34Jul 17, 2008 11:16 am Hi Chris,
I wouldn't worry to much. As long you have safety glass where it is required and if you meet all safety standards (sill height from the floor upstairs etc..) insurers don't even ask where you got your windows from. Builders and architects are lazy (some at least ), they don't like change. They like to stick what they are used too Methods they use include: Artificial overpricing to make the alternative product not affordable. Making up stories (insurance, council disapproval, climate ....) Or they simply tell they don't know or it is not available........ Re: Local double-glazing supplier 35Jul 19, 2008 4:31 pm Hi Windowexpert,
Quote: As long you have safety glass where it is required and if you meet all safety standards (sill height from the floor upstairs etc..) insurers don't even ask where you got your windows from. As for architects, etc, I've an impression that mine's afraid of (inevitable) problems with installation, etc, landing in his lap. It's the same attitude he showed when I decided to build from Energy-Lite sandwich panels, instead of double bricks, typical here in the West. My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Local double-glazing supplier 36Jul 19, 2008 5:56 pm A well trained and open minded architect should have a knowledge about the most common window systems (even beyond Australia)
The PVCu tilt and turn windows is amongst the most common ones in the world and if he is not confident to use it he is a pretty poor architect...... Re: Local double-glazing supplier 37Jul 20, 2008 12:14 pm Quote: he is not confident My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Local double-glazing supplier 38Jul 20, 2008 12:32 pm Hi Chris,
what risk? Bad workmanship of the manufacturer is the only risk you take. Technically you take less risk than using local aluminium windows. Local aluminium joinery islow value, low quality, low thermal insulation, low performance and rubbish hardware..... Re: Local double-glazing supplier 39Jul 20, 2008 12:54 pm Hi Windowexpert,
Just as you've said, risk's poor workmanship, lack of warranty, potential problems with shipping, insurance, etc. I'll have friends (one's an architect) check the cargo before shipping, but things can and do go wrong, our budget's pretty tight and we can't afford major mishaps. By nature I'm a pessimist, so naturally enough I'm anticipating trouble where there may be none. Unfortunately, from the bureaucratic point of view cheap and nasty Aussie windows're safer/better/whatever than imports, of high quality, but not officially endorsed by some desk rider. Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Local double-glazing supplier 40Jul 20, 2008 1:28 pm Hi Chris,
If you have someone there to check it you have nothing to worry. He also has to make sure that it is well packed. If you discover anything wrong later on you have someone there to claim your warranty Keep us posted how you are proceeding This is one of the reasons I decided to go overseas for my double glazed windows. As the builder indicated, he's worked on many upmarket builds, these were the most well… 13 19709 For your reference Performance Labels: Window assemblies in housing, except timber windows, must be labelled so the label can be seen when it is in situ. For timber… 6 10340 I’m in a similar position except I’m after sliding 3 stacking doors. I am on a second-story apartment of which the balcony would not adequately fit any bi-fold or… 5 16663 |