Browse Forums Lighting + Lighting Design 1 Mar 31, 2010 1:12 pm Hi All, my apologies this is a tad long winded. We are currently planning our lighting for a 6500 x 6100 room. The room incorporates a kitchen, dining and sitting area. The ceiling goes from min 2400 over the kitchen area to max 3400 over the dining/sitting area, the room has masses of natural night. We are having a galley kitchen 5100 x 2500, this will have 3 down lights over the 5100 walkway and 2 or 3 pendants over the 3600 long island bench. My sparky automatically wanted to put in halogens, I said no, I would like CFL globes (possibly switching to LED globes later when we have the $$ spare). The dining and sitting area (which is about 4000 x 6100 including the walkway to back yard) is where I am not sure about the type of globe/light that will be suitable. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The picture shows the dining area (directly in front of the louvre window) and the sitting area in the far corner. Would a CFL down light penetrate down enough from a 3.4m ceiling? Would the raked ceiling effect the direction of light horribly? I have read the forums and have come across the Jupiter 5, with a 20W globe, mentioned a few times. Would these be suitable? If yes how many would I need for the dining/sitting area?. Also what type of light? The room with be grey (Grey Pebble Dulux) and will have vivid white ceilings and skirting etc. Would a warm light cast a yellow glow? Would cool light be better in a room that is generally light filled? So many questions. THANKS for your help, Hayley. Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 3Apr 12, 2010 8:38 am Well its seems I am the only person looking for a non halogen alternative to high ceiling downlights I have contacted a company looking at 10W Cree LED lights. I am waiting for my sparky to bring over a fitting to hang from the ceiling to test a 11W CFL Globe. Apparently the Jupiter 5 lights are no good - as they work entirely on reflection ? Now looking for a CFL fitting that will take a 20 W globe, been told that 11W is the most? So frustrated with this whole process. Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 4Apr 16, 2010 12:11 pm I will be interested in seeing what you end up with. We are having raked ceilings through our foyer, kitchen, dining & living room & have decided on downlights however I am wondering if we will have enough light now! We haven't signed our fixed contract yet so there is still time to change things if we need to! Please update- there is 1 person interested! Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 5Apr 24, 2010 6:41 am Make that 2! We will be having raked ceiling over lounge dining area. Our builder supplies downlights as standard, but we haven't yet discussed what would be used in this area. Possumchops Now the proud owner of 3.7acres of Serenity. Colour selection completed! Soon to go to council. Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 6Apr 24, 2010 7:10 am Make that 3! We'll have raked ceiling over the kitchen and dining area, I think the standard downlights are offered as well. My building thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32809 Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 7Apr 24, 2010 9:41 pm Well there are other people out there wondering about this, good to know I am not the only one LOL. At the moment I am having issues getting our (mate) sparky to come to the house and do the work, argh so frustrating. I found a down light fitting that will take a 25W CFL globe - made by CLA, they come in small and large - http://www.environmentshop.com.au/Produ ... p?PID=3246. I am interested in these and will be looking into them during the week ahead. From what I understand, down light fittings that take halogens have a particular fitting type (spikes or little metal probes), I know that you can replace them with LEDs, not sure on CFLs...............and then if you have they have low voltage with transformers etc you can't just change things simply to accommodate higher wattage stuff.....I am getting so confused. The response I got from the LED people was less than helpful - really just saying they didn't know but it could be OK *sigh*. Not really good enough for the amount of money that would be spent. I will continue to update as I figure things out. Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 8Apr 27, 2010 10:45 pm hello, The difference between a cfl and a downlight is a downlight runs a lowvoltage transformer and a low voltage globe ( usually 12v 50w ) a cfl runs on 240v There are a few issues with cfl lights - there have a large diameter - they have a very deep mounting depth - take twice as long to fit-off - they catch spider webs and bugs - theytend to discolour over time - they wont work on a raked ceiling because they cannot be adjusted to point down. you will end up with light point to the walls creating light circles on the walls and dark spots The reason why your sparky is insisting to install downlights is because they will perform much better on a raked situation... You can replace downlight globes with led globes but only certain types. If you get the wrong ones you will have to replace all the transformers to accomodate. Electrical - Automation - Smart wiring - New homes - Commercial - Data cabling] 1300 050 315 www.cenemelectrical.com.au www.facebook.com/cenemelectrical Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 9Apr 28, 2010 12:38 pm cenemelectrical hello, The difference between a cfl and a downlight is a downlight runs a lowvoltage transformer and a low voltage globe ( usually 12v 50w ) a cfl runs on 240v There are a few issues with cfl lights - there have a large diameter - they have a very deep mounting depth - take twice as long to fit-off - they catch spider webs and bugs - theytend to discolour over time - they wont work on a raked ceiling because they cannot be adjusted to point down. you will end up with light point to the walls creating light circles on the walls and dark spots The reason why your sparky is insisting to install downlights is because they will perform much better on a raked situation... You can replace downlight globes with led globes but only certain types. If you get the wrong ones you will have to replace all the transformers to accomodate. Just a couple of questions if you pop back in cenemelectrical.. The deep mounting depth does worry me - we don't have a lot of room to play with, hence all this research. I need to see what kind of covers would be required and if would would have sufficient clearance. What do you mean, twice as long to fit off? Do you mean install? Without transformers I make the assumption there would be less work, am I wrong? The fittings I am looking at have glass covers - I am not sure why they would attract anymore bugs than halogens? I think the CFL globes may go a little yellow when nearing the end of their lives, is that what you mean about discolouration? I think I mentioned my concern about the direction of light in my original post - our sparky was supposed to bring a fitting for me to try but he has been busy and unable to. I will try to see the effect of the direction before making a decision. I have the wiring in for 6 down lights and a fan for the living/dining, also 3 pendants and 3 down lights for the kitchen. I am considering looking at having alternative fittings over the living/dining where the ceiling is high - simply because of the hassle involved. Although it does involve moving the wires there is no gyprock as yet so no big deal - It is simply disappointing as I wanted the majority of lighting to fade into the ceiling. Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 10Apr 28, 2010 3:46 pm hello, The discolouration ususally is a result of cheap fittings. be it a downlight, cfl downlight or any other fitting. The mounting depth of the lights will not be an issue in your situation. As seen by your photo the trusses you are using in your ceiling will have more than enough depth. also remember you will have an extra 30-40mm to play with becuase of ceiling battons ( this is what the plaster is screwd to ) and the plaster itself ( usualy around 10-16mm ) Just make sure the insulation guys leave a a large space where you plan to have to lights installed. Many builders overlook this area. Fitting-off means the final stage of an electrical installation before commisioning where all the fittings are installed ( switches/lights/gpo's etc..) a cfl downlight take longer to install because of the annoying terminals that are common place on these type of lights. A downlight is quick and easy to install. Depending on your electrician, you may get charged extra to fit pendant fittings as they can take longer to fit. hope this helped Electrical - Automation - Smart wiring - New homes - Commercial - Data cabling] 1300 050 315 www.cenemelectrical.com.au www.facebook.com/cenemelectrical Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 11Apr 28, 2010 4:08 pm not sure if you are still worried about the direction issue, but my parents have a downlight over their sink on an angled ceiling and they still have the downlight shine down rather than on the angle. so it can be done. for the height, we have a couple of downlights in our kitchen with 3m ceilings, they are fine lightwise. (but they are halogens) "Your emotions are the slaves to your thoughts, and you are the slave to your emotions." — Elizabeth Gilbert Living in our new house. Currently scaping the land. Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 12Apr 28, 2010 9:31 pm Thanks so much for answering my questions Another consideration is going with this type: http://www.environmentshop.com.au/Produ ... p?PID=2863 Is it silly to hope that they will figure out a new globe to fit in these with higher light put put in the future? And then placing a pendant like this: http://www.beaconshop.com.au/components ... life12.jpg in the centre of the room in place of a fan for now. Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 13Jan 17, 2012 10:35 am Just wondering how you went Robbo3, if you're still around the forums. My partner and I are building a house (currently in for council approval) and we have to make decision on the lights for our raked ceiling. We're going with LED downlights and were given the following tips by a lady who works at a lighting store: - To make sure the downlights are gimbal so they can point down even on the rake - Check that the lights have a minimum of 60degree beam and between 620-720 lumens The part we're finding the hardest is choosing the pendant lights for above our kitchen island. I have a very particular type in mind (clear glass , dome-shaped) and I'm having trouble sourcing it. On top of that, I'm unsure of how many to get. I don't want them to dominate the space but they need to be large enough to be practical and look "right." Anyway, good to see there are a few struggling with the decision like us I guess. Phew! Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 14Nov 27, 2013 7:51 pm These old topics are very useful! We are trying to work out if not using gimballed downlight in a raked ceiling will be an issue... the builder has come back and said they are double the price! Anyone got an oppinion on if it is worth the cost....? We'd need to do this to 8 lights = +$1,200, which is a lot given our upgraded electrical plan is already $5k (then add all the other upgrades). Can be be done cheaper, after? Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 15Dec 27, 2013 5:58 pm we have raked ceilings right through the lounge, kitchen and family room (they all run along the front of the house). It goes from 3m to about 5m in height. We put LED lights thoroughout - all with gimble fittings..We bought them from China. We put 10w in the front rooms and 8w in all other rooms (2.4m high). Warm white. 120 degree beam. Our sparky says it is the best he has seen - good even light throughout..and he loved the quality of the fittings and globes) we have used lots of lights as we hate looking at project homes that barely have enough lights in them. In the lounge area which is about 7m x 10m we have 24 lights (150 throughout the house). We couldnt find the gimble fittings here that we liked - all cheap looking and too large gaps around the gimbles....we spent a LONG time sourcing what we got, and are very happy with them.. (We had to buy 500 - so we actually have 300 left - if anyone is interested - not globes - just gimble fittings - 90mm cut out - white matt finish). Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 16Jan 08, 2014 7:08 pm Guys, please remember, buying anyting from China is risky. Please make sure they are certified, comply with Australian Standards and QC tested. If anything goes wrong, you WILL NOT be covered by insurance. We've seen this happen countless times, and really not worth seeing you house burn to the ground, and not being covered by insurance because thinking that saving some money was the best option. Kind Regards, Kristin Lighting Expert Phone -1300 798 220 Email - service@golights.com.au Website - http://www.golights.com.au Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 17Jan 08, 2014 7:11 pm ours comply with all regulations and have all the certificates, so no problems Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 18Jan 17, 2024 3:34 pm chatterbox we have raked ceilings right through the lounge, kitchen and family room (they all run along the front of the house). It goes from 3m to about 5m in height. We put LED lights thoroughout - all with gimble fittings..We bought them from China. We put 10w in the front rooms and 8w in all other rooms (2.4m high). Warm white. 120 degree beam. Our sparky says it is the best he has seen - good even light throughout..and he loved the quality of the fittings and globes) we have used lots of lights as we hate looking at project homes that barely have enough lights in them. In the lounge area which is about 7m x 10m we have 24 lights (150 throughout the house). We couldnt find the gimble fittings here that we liked - all cheap looking and too large gaps around the gimbles....we spent a LONG time sourcing what we got, and are very happy with them.. (We had to buy 500 - so we actually have 300 left - if anyone is interested - not globes - just gimble fittings - 90mm cut out - white matt finish). Chatterbox - it's so long since you wrote this post - but do you still have these gimbles? What are the specs of the fittings? We are having raked ceilings in our living/dining/kitchen area, and it just occurred to us to look into this! Thanks in advance Re: Raked Ceiling Downlights 19Jan 17, 2024 4:42 pm yes we do have these - havent got around to advertising them lol. I can do some pictures and send them through. Not sure if you can post an email address here, or maybe call me on 0418 817 816 Thank you @ashington Homes for your reply! They just got back to me and offered credit for me to just take it as is. 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